The German military ammo of its time ( my time ) was also used in the UZI. The older guns without the reinforcements weren't designed past 5,000 rounds, they were just to be carried comfortably but the Baader-Meinhoff terrorist threat changed thee practicing routine. I got a P1 with the updates here and it lasts well.
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I used to "learn 'em young recruits" how to shoot those P1s and took a few state trophies home with them. I stand corrected, thank you sir for the info. I don't wonder if these rounds were the cause of the urban legend of the hotter 9mm NATO, but maybe the US forces uses a hotter loaded round too There are some hot rounds available but they are very expensive compared to blaster ammo and few people use a lot of it for practice. MOST Amerivcan commercial ammunition is neutered to around 75-80% of the European standards for 9mm performance. Sven, US NATO is NATO, in dimensions, pressures, velocities and performance. I don't wonder if these rounds were the cause of the urban legend of the hotter 9mm NATO, but maybe the US forces uses a hotter loaded round too? They brake some of our P6 roll pins, but no-one gets hurt. Unfortunately these rounds were made for the Brits. In the late eighties the West-Berlin police bought a large batch of "cheap" 9x19 from Hirtenberger, Austria. The British forces used a much hotter round for one of their submachine guns. Differences in pressure are the result of the different measurement methods of C.I.P. So it is impossible that the NATO round is hotter loaded than it's civilian counterpart. And this law follows the standards of the C.I.P. ALL of these proof houses had to follow the German law of proofing of firearms. All of these arms are proofed by the civilian proof houses or the two proof houses of the Ministry of Defense and the Ministry of the Interior. The normal NATO-STANAG round is/was used by the mentioned German agencies in pistols and submachine guns. Is the 9mm NATO a "hot round"? - Absolutely not! This round was used by the Bundeswehr and all (West-) German/Berlin law enforcement agencies. And of course the P1 was designed for the 9x19 FMJ 124gr following NATO-STANAG.
Since 1908 the military and police 9x19 rounds in Germany have a 124gr bullet, except the Pistolenpatrone 08 mE f.e. Remember that when this pistol was designed, 115gr ball was the military loading and is what the pistol was meant to fire. If I owned one, it would be as a piece of history a/k/a safe queen. I was told that the P1 had a barrel life of 500 rounds. It's always nice to hear from our international members! Thanks. If you wanna buy a P1 as a shooter it has to be one of the second generation with the enforced frame (hexpin insert made of steel), better the third generation with the beefed up slide too. What happens? Right, at first the frames cracked, later the slides. So we get new designed pistols (P5, P6, P7).Īnd the Bundeswehr prefer to let the recruits shoot only a couple (any time the same ones) of P1 from the armorer at the range. The first generation was designed for the STANAG 9x19mm (124 gr FMJ), but just as a service pistol for self defense for the police and for army MG-gunners f.e., specified for shooting some hundreds of rounds and then forget about it.īut at some time the pistol training of the German police was intensified after the confrontations with the left terrorists (Baader-Meinhoff/RAF) in the seventies. Aluminum alloy framed P1 is an other thing.